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Originally Posted by Hom3r
I talk to my 23 year old niece who is gay, about the modern gender Identity.
To her gender neutral toilets are the norm.
I do have one issue, I feel that you should use the toilets based on your birth biology. (yes there are those born with both, but they IIRC generally choose one).
Once you have finished the relevant surgery you can use the new gender.
Wasn't there a rapist who said he identified as a woman and was put in a women's prison and he committed a crime in there.
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Adam Bryson from Clydebank. Accused of two rapes. Appeared in court initially under his wife’s surname (Adam Graham), legally changed his name to Isla Bryson a year later, but was still legally recognised as a man, owing to the fact that he is one and had not applied to have his birth certificate altered.
Ended up convicted and in a women’s prison, right at the same time Nicola Sturgeon was doing the Press rounds insisting that the SNP’s ludicrous gender self-ID bill would not further enable the very thing that was happening right under her nose. Unclear from the reading I’ve quickly done here whether his birth certificate now contains the legal fiction that he is ‘female’. However here’s a photo taken outside court.
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Originally Posted by Damien
Gender-neutral toilets have been around for a long time purely out of convenience/space anyway. Some places only have one or two toilets so make it accessible to all. I know the National Theatre bar is unisex. A bar near me also has it.
These never have urinals though which is the only point of contention. Otherwise, it's a set of private - unisex - cubicles and then a shared area for washing hands.
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Gender neutral toilets aren’t an issue as long as they don’t contain a closed-off space where men and women mix out of public view. A door straight off a corridor marked unisex is fine (you often find these in small independent coffee shops). A men’s toilet converted to unisex by removing the urinals and adding a counter top containing free period products, as happened at my local university, is absolutely not ok. The enclosed space bakes in one of the real and present dangers posed by trans ideology, which is the erosion of safe female spaces.
At the time of the conversion, everyone I knew, and overheard, continued to talk about that room as the ‘men’s toilet’. There was a women’s one nearby, although not right next door. More recently however I have gone in there and had to exchange a very awkward smile with a lone woman standing at the mirror. *I* feel awkward because I know that a young woman alone in a secluded space with an unknown man is vulnerable. I am sure she feels worse. This is the sort of thing that this corrosive ideology has enabled by taking the (reasonable, democratic) idea that you can dress, and perceive, yourself however you want, to the (dangerous) idea that everyone else has to make way for you at the expense of their own comfort, safety and right to think and speak freely.