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This has nothing to doing with drinking any kool aid as you put it just looking at the info out there and not falling for all the false allegations and hysteria over her.
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And yet even the IOC had to delete a statement in which it insisted this was ‘not a DSD issue’ (Disoerder of Sexual Development) and reissue it saying it is not a ‘trans’ issue (which nobody had in fact claimed). The IOC has seen the evidence, and enough of it has become public by now. The info is out there and is plain to see, for those who aren’t ensnared by trans ideology.
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Yet an athlete that took part in the game raped a 12 yr old and there was hardly any outrsge over that!! .
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Are we really doing this
ok, fine, point by point. And the above is what we in Scotland call whitabootery. Irrelevant to the question of Khelif’s eligibility to box in the female category.
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Funny how she was boxing for 8 years winning and also loosing and there was no issues till last year. After she had beaten a Russian opponent and suddenly the IBA ran a 'test' and had an issue. A Russian led and controlled association. Being suspended by the IOC over various issues.
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It is entirely possible for a bad actor to discredit their opponent by issuing facts. Yes, the Russians are proper, moustache-twirling evil. That doesn’t make Khelif an XX biological female. The published evidence says that, whatever their motives, the the WBA is telling the truth. It would be a really stupid lie because their test results exist, the IOC has seen them, Khelif’s team has seen them, and simply publishing the initial cheek swab would have been enough to disprove the WBA, had that swab rendered an XX result.
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I mean Xy DSD aside if her testosterone levels were raised that isn't really a problem many women will have higher levels than a lot of mean that aspect isn't an issue.
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You’re struggling now.
The normal ranges for female and male testosterone do not overlap. Not by a country mile. Females do not, ever, have ‘raised’ testosterone to the level where it is comparable to even the most testosterone-deficient male, except where serious pathology is at issue. The serious pathology in Khelif’s case is that this individual has XY chromosomes and a disorder of sexual development meaning internal testes are present. These have caused male puberty and male testosterone levels.
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I mean claiming she has a male advantage when she has lost matches before and many women can indeed be stronger and more powerful than men. So trying to use that argument does really wash.
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The issue is not whether Khelif is the most powerful person in any given boxing competition; it is whether it is fair for Khelif to compete.
Nicola Adams could beat me to a pulp in a boxing ring. It doesn’t make me a woman, or her a man.
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Not to mention in her home country it is illegal to be gay or trans. She was born and raised female, her family photos clearly show a little girl.
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Nobody has claimed Khelif is gay.
Nobody has claimed Khelif is trans.
These are strawman arguments, as you well know.
It is quite common for an individual with XY chromosomes and certain DSDs to be incorrectly observed at birth and recorded female, especially in developing nations where medical staff may lack experience of rarer conditions. It is then typical for such individuals to be raised as a girl because, until male puberty kicks in, there is no reason to think anything else. Be in no doubt, however, that Khelif, Khelif’s family, and the Algerian Olympic team, all now know exactly what's going on.
Khelif deserves compassion and understanding for what must have been a traumatic adolescence. However, that compassion does not extend to creating an unfair and possibly dangerous environment for actual female boxers in competitions.