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Originally Posted by Pierre
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You suggested a negotiated settlement that would give away land from two NATO members, Poland and Lithuania, to Russia, and I called that appeasement…
Re "against a negotiated peace" - I’m against doing deals with regimes/people who have consistently broken agreements every time they initially invaded a country in the last thirty years - see Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, and who (repeatedly) give speeches stating that they wish to bring back the "Greater Rus", restoring the Soviet Territories to be under Russian rule.
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When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Maya Angelou
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What makes you believe Russia/Putin wouldn’t repeat their previous behaviours?
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Originally Posted by jfman
Majorities in Italy, Greece and Bulgaria opposed this to the extent that they thought it was a bad idea to increase the supply of weapons to Ukraine.
Seemed like an odd bit to leave out when you selectively chose your sentences to put in bold.
Unless they’re the “wrong type” of Europeans.
The political consensus fragments as alternate minority positions in more places rise of course, and there’s more nuance within those majority positions - as Pierre correctly notes above to strengthen the negotiating hand is significantly different from a return to either 2022 or 2014 borders.
If I meant to say “a majority of people in the majority of countries” I’d have said that - I don’t believe that so I didn’t say it.
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Three countries citizens, out of fourteen countries surveyed, who think it may be a bad idea to increase the supply of arms to Ukraine (not stop, not lessen, just not increase), is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "political consensus fragmenting in Europe"…