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If neither of these are achievable it’s just sacrificing Ukrainians to keep Russia further from Poland.
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Strange, I thought it was to stop Russia stealing more of Ukraine’s territory…
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the “forever war of Russian expansion” that Hugh assures us will happen if Russia didn’t stick to any agreements on a settlement in Ukraine
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I didn’t "assure" anyone if this - I pointed out the facts that in Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine, Russia keeps coming back for more territory, and if we don’t learn from Russia’s previous behaviours, history will repeat itself. Are you stating that if a peace deal happens with Russia keeping the stolen Ukrainian territories, there won’t be a further recurrence of a "Limited Military Action" in the medium-term?