[jfman]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

We could sponsor him to stop saying it, I'll chuck a quid in for that

I think it'd be preferable for Ukraine to have a volunteer army that NATO adequately resources if it seeks to use it as a pawn, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Paul

... and yet everyone thinks your Putins best mate {smoke, fire, you know the saying ....}

I'd propose it's more likely a limitation of the counter argument it resorts to jibes instead. Ultimately, some are too far gone on the kool aid (every inch, plus Crimea) to realise it's a mere fantasy and the US has form for letting down it's short term allies.

I did see a Ukraine flag at their match in Germany with "give us elections" at kick off swiftly removed. Of course, it must have been the Kremlin that instigated it. Ukrainian refugees couldn't possibly want democracy.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

There are some Ukrainians being conscripted against there will but no where near what you imply (though it closely follows what Russian bots are posting).

Try actually talking to a Ukranian rather than sourcing info frrom Russia. They are easy to find depending on where you look.

I'd propose that all conscripts are against their will. Otherwise why didn't they sign up? Indeed, why do they need conscription at all if they are overwhelmed with volunteers to mobilise?

It's only an existential threat, after all.

Of course no rational person could make this observation, it must be a Kremlin endorsed line.