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Originally Posted by Chris
This isn’t new.
There’s what you might call an ‘escalation management’ faction in the White House, led by Nat Sec advisor Jake Sullivan, who are wonkish academic types that have all along been advising Biden that the world will end if Russia loses this war too badly. They have been slow-walking aid to Ukraine from the outset. The 2023 summer offensive failed because Ukraine was trained for manoeuvre operations that no Nato country would attempt without air superiority, except of course they weren’t provided air superiority fighters to go with it.
The US has provided tons of military aid useful for preventing Russia advancing but has only ever provided serious offensive firepower, such a long-range tactical missiles, (HIMARS and ATACMS) when they have been shown up by European allies who have been more willing to supply similarly lethal arms (principally, SCALP/Storm Shadow cruise missiles from France and the UK). Similarly, the US only began publically to change its position on the use of American missiles to attack positions within Russia when its European allies made a nonsense of their position by loudly declaring Ukraine should be able to do so.
It’s not that Sullivan et al want Russia to win this, so much as they are terrified of what happens if Russia loses. They have self-moderated themselves into not doing everything they can to help Ukraine because they don’t want to see Russia actually deploy tactical nuclear weapons (which Russia regularly threatens to do, but has shown absolutely no sign of actually doing) and, worse, they don’t want a defeated Russia suffer an uncontrolled fracture the way the USSR did in the early 1990s.
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Meantime, Ukranians getting conscripted (against their will) to the front line meat grinder is an acceptable price to pay while America at best resources at stalemate and at worst a managed defeat?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Kremlin.html
Farage also out doing his bit to end the Parliamentary consensus on this.
Ultimately the clock has run out on Ukraine ever regaining its territory lost in 2022, never mind 2014. There’s only bogging down Russian resources for longer. This may well suit some of Ukraine’s neighbours, the USA and wider NATO objectives but as ever in the absence of democratic accountability for the Zelensky regime there’s no voice for the men being marched to their deaths or the refugees in the west.
If we levelled with them that much of the rhetoric from 2022 was merely lies and that their objectives and ours only coalesced within a short timeframe I suspect the Ukrainian support (within and outside it’s borders) for the forever war would be minimal.
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Originally Posted by Hugh
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At least Ukraine are winning the meme war I guess.