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Old 24-04-2024, 15:06   #2817
jfman
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
Well if we back them properly we can hopefully reduce the death toll but if Ukraine wants to keep fighting then we supply them the means to do so. If Ukraine wants to stop fighting then we of course back them.

I am not interested in discussions that treat Ukrainians as if they don't have any agency. We're in a conflict where they do have that agency and any solution has to involve their interests as well.
Conscripted individuals absolutely do not have agency.

Ian with his World War 2 rhetoric might be happy for them to go and re-enact the Battle of the Bulge while he debates flawed military strategy on social media and internet forums. It might even make for the odd exciting video if they take out some Russkies in the process. It is no less a futile and (in my view) unnecessary task.
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