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Old 08-04-2024, 22:55   #2740
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
I can't see Ukraine agreeing to a settlement that doesn't restore its 2014 boundaries.
Well they lived with it for eight years.

Ukraine will do what it has to do. Lack of support could see Ukraine having to agree to a whole lot worse settlement.

Ukraine is free to accept or refuse any offer. However, they are not free to receive unlimited support from the West for unobtainable goals.


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Putin's 10 years older than Biden and doesn't look like he's any intention of giving up. And we don't know his successor won't continue what Putin began.
we don’t know he will. I don’t think Russia as a people want this war, I think any new leader that ends it will be welcomed.

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I think it's best to arm Ukraine properly so that Russia withdraws sooner rather than later.
What more do you suggest? They have been armed and financed very well. You do realise that it is Russia they’re against? It was a very ring rusty Russia that started in 2022, the Russia of 2024 is not the same.

Russia will not be withdrawing from Ukraine. Ukraine can’t do it, and they can’t do it with the current exceptional level of funding. The current level of funding isn’t sustainable.

Ukraine cannot win their objectives without NATO actually engaging, with their weaponary and soldiers……….and that will not happen.

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Not arming it effectively - the current situation - is resulting in neither side looking likely to win.
well what has happened, so far, is the best we can do, And it doesn’t seem to be good enough.

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World War II taught us that negotiated settlements with aggressors only reward and encourage them to be more aggressive.
Well it’s a bit more complicated than that. Chamberlain did his level best, and should be well remembered for that.

Unfortunately the actions of Nazi Germany and Japan meant that only total surrender would be acceptable. Russia has committed no such atrocities in this campaign. A negotiated peace is in this instance would not be as problematic.
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