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Originally Posted by Chris

Well naturally, lurking behind a lot of Europhilia is a belief that we’re somehow not up to the task of governing ourselves and we need the EU to bypass our own second rate governments. It’s a self-defeating position I find impossible to get behind. We can govern ourselves well because we have done in the past. There is nothing in our national psyche that absolutely prevents it, except perhaps the lingering sense of dependency on the EU that should hopefully wane in time.

And no, we did not have a veto on EU trade negotiations. Most decisions are taken by QMV since Lisbon. Cameron’s exceptionally rare use of a veto in the Council was in the area of financial regulation, one of the few areas where the veto still exists.

When was the last time we had a government that did ‘well’ I’m struggling to remember ? And in your opinion what does a government that would do well look like ? It’s not going to be the tories , it won’t be Labour so I’m not sure where a competent government is going to come from?

I wasn’t aware of what the veto allowed us to veto against so thanks for the clarification