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As stated - both VM's and Sky's latest products do NOT have any recording facilties.

Both do have catch-up and it was said they don't need +1 channels. But both Sky's and VM's current linear boxes have the same catch-up apps as their current streaming boxes.

If the arguement is that if the stream boxes don't need +1 channels - then neither do SkyQ or the VM 360.

Nowadays, DVR seems to be from the dark ages - but UK Catch Up services do not provide a full catch up service.