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Originally Posted by Hugh

Babbit wasn’t "accidentally shot".

OK, I’ll rephrase to “accidentally killed”. As I doubt the officer would take pride in killing an unarmed person.

Does anyone think that if Trump loses the next election, he would accept the result?

Probably as much as Hilary did after she lost to him.

He won’t have a choice, but he’ll continue to bitch about it. It’s a shame he’s standing, Biden has a slim chance of beating him because some people just can’t bring themselves to vote for him.

If DeSantis was the nominee it would be a landslide.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Trump incited a crowd of thousands to go from his rally to the Capitol in order to enact all of that.

There’s a high bar to prove that, and it hasn’t been met and of all things Trump may be in the dock for, he won’t be convicted on that.

In his speech, that is mainly a rambling diatribe, about how the election was stolen and bullying Mike Pence to declare the results invalid, he never calls for anyone to storm the Capitol building, occupy the senate.

He did say clearly

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard

He does clearly state that if Biden wins

You will have an illegitimate president. That's what you'll have. And we can't let that happen.

But that is talking around the recalling of various results, and Clinton continually called Trump an illegitimate president.

The quote many refer to is

And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

But if you read his speech that is obviously referring election fraud and ensuring that stopped.

And then he ends, just about, with

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/96639...eachment-trial

Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.

And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.

So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.

So I fail to see any incitement in that speech, it was essentially a massive moan fest.

For hours after the effect of his words were clear to see he refused to use his powers as president or his personal influence over the mob to stop it. People were hurt, state property was destroyed and state officials had reason to fear for their lives.

So he didn’t release a one minute video to tell the protesters to go home, peacefully?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...rioters-455607




I’m not here to defend Trump, but I am here to question the whole insurrection malarkey. There have been tens of riots around the USA, if not more, against government, far larger and more deadly than Jan 6th by BLM and Antifa.

Jan 6th was a riot, and I don’t care of the definition, it was far from an insurrection - and on that I’ll guess we have to disagree.