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Originally Posted by Pierre
In the U.K. anyone can stand for election, unless you’re bankrupt.
Absolutely anyone….and no one in the current government (local or national) or in the judiciary can stop you from being on the ballot paper.
Certainly no one in power from an opposing party can stop you.
This is what I mean by the electorate being the final arbiter. Anyone can stand and the people decide.
If in the US, the state government can decide or the state judiciary, or the Supreme Court can decide who is allowed to stand.
Then the US is not the beacon of democracy it likes to think it is.
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So absolutely anyone can stand in the UK, except for the people who can’t. There’s no point trying to slip the exception on by there in the hope nobody notices that it fatally undermines your argument.
Both the UK and the US have codified the proposition that certain people are ineligible for office. Who they bar is based on prior experience. In the case of the US it was the civil war - they understandably decided they didn’t want senior Confederates who had taken up arms against the Union, renewing their mischief via elected office. The precise historical reasons why bankrupts are barred in the UK, I’ll leave someone else to look up.
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You also have to ask the question. Was Jan 6th an insurrection? ……….no, obviously not.
Did Trump plan and orchestrate an insurrection?………..no.
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These are the questions the Supreme Court of Colorado has considered, and judged yes and yes. The senior election officer in Maine reached the same conclusions. She is constitutionally entitled to do so in that state. In both cases, and in other states presently considering the issue, it will all end up in front of the federal Supreme Court for final judgment.
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believe based on what I read that Trump’s actions amount to insurrection, and the incitement of it. However as I’ve already said IANAL and neither are you - I don’t think you have grounds for saying the matter is ‘obviously’ anything.
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Is it useful for the Democrats to accuse Trump of an insurrection? …………..absolutely yes, because then by interpreting the constitution in a certain way they can remove him from the ballot.
It all makes sense now.
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At which point you’ve vanished down a conspiracy rabbit hole and there’s little hope of further useful discussion.