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Old 27-12-2023, 11:00   #5764
jfman
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post

This 'proof' fallback position is lazy. We all know that the Civil Service pushed back against Brexit. It doesn't need me to trawl back through the reports from 2016 onwards.

In respect of Sue Gray being an example, you can easily imagine the coven of lefties that she led. Courtroom proof is impossible and this forum certainly doesn't need that standard of proof.,

I suppose you could argue the toss between 'lefties' and 'Europhiles' in the Civil Service but the balance of probability lies with Grauniad style lefties.

Imagine being the operative word.

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/sue-gray

The truth is Sue Gray will have had an extremely limited say in the people who work in the vast Departments she has served in.

To take just one example how did she thwart Brexit while on secondment to the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland? Did dozens, if not hundreds, of people all uproot their lives to go with her on her three year placement?

Or, more likely, did she just work with the people already in place, many of whom will have been there for years if not decades.

The evidence base for pushing back against Brexit would be worth a read if anyone could present it. Again it’s more likely that Ministers lacked the skills, knowledge or expertise required for their roles. Where limitations existed within the civil service it was official government position to remain, then leave with a deal, then leave without one. Working a shadow civil service against these positions would have been the textbook definition of insubordination.

With Parliament unable to agree and Johnson’s purge of anyone who backed remain we didn’t have a Government of all the talents we had one with none of the talents from the Conservative benches.

Last edited by jfman; 27-12-2023 at 11:05.
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