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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I'm genuinely honoured that you're asking about two Sephiroth's. At least you recognise the intellectual value offered by one of me. That said, you've correctly described both of me. In particular, Islam as delivered by those at the top, is incompatible with our society.
On your numbered points:
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You've conflated Sunak's behaviour with the real illegal immigration issue. These people, some of whom may be terrorists, many/most of whom destroy whatever documentation they possess, land in Europe. Note, Europe. EU law requires them to be processed at first EU entry point. That may be the case in Greece/Italy, but no attempt is made to contain these people who are allowed to drift west where they are trafficked to the UK. We pay France millions to stop the traffic but, they just shepherd the boats across the border line.
My real point is, why should they be allowed to come here?
I am in favour of a properly agreed (with the EU) and managed quota with protocols that allow us to return unauthorised immigrants to France or wherever.
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Islam in today's context, does not do multiculturalism. The historical context is not denied. But the historic context pre-dates the machine gun; pre-dates the Ayatollahs; pre-dates 9/11, 7/, Paris, Sderot. Hizbollah keeps Lebanon in submission; Hamas likewise in Gaza - and look how difficult it is to shut that down.
The baddies tend to dominate in present day politics. The Ultras in Israel are as much proof as is needed. Also watch out for the West Bank and military factions that are developing there.
Whatever the Koran says runs contrary to the actual practice in God's name by the largest Islamic states. Koran/Schmoran - it's whatever they want to highlight from there to suit their agenda.
My overriding fear is that the UK's good Muslims would come under the thumb of the baddies, once they have a Parliamentary majority. The baddies would have the guns and the goodies would, at least, be top of the heap (not being infidels).
I seem to look further ahead than you who prefers to refer to the historical context.
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You say you offer "intellectual value" yet then utter phrases like "We pay France millions to stop the traffic but, they just shepherd the boats across the border line". You are a contradiction.
Regarding Islam, you seem to focus on the extreme wing of the religion and represent it as the whole. I guess nuance is a bridge to far. You are painting a near future of religious Armageddon: a gun-toting Parliamentary majority. This is cult level fantasy.
I do agree with you on the Islamist danger specifically it's role in radicalising the impressionable young. One of the key ways this is done is by allowing the provision of faith schools that can depart from the mainstream curriculum and so provide an opportunity to teach the more radical forms of Islam. If all children of immigrants attended state schools they would mix with their peers who would ideally come from many backgrounds and so provide a context for integration. This approach should apply to all faiths.