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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
The question that you and jfman have been putting is "how many dead Gazan children is too much? Where is the red line?" . That's very different from the pivot you've made in your response above.
Also you try to hide behind the "alternate approaches" you say you've suggested. None of them even touch my question which is:
Given the barbaric attack on Israel by Hamas on 07-Oct, when 1200 innocent people were butchered, what should Israel's response have been? How should they eliminate Hamas?
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There is no pivot, you are just dancing around the problem. I think that, like other (adults) on this forum, that 10,000+ civilian deaths are too many. You, by sanctioning the current IDF campaign, do not. We need a ceasefire and the UN, led by the US, should go in and create safe havens for the displaced population so they can literally live some form of a life.
You use emotive words to somehow validate the current IDF response. Should I use phrases like "babies crushed under tons of rubble, children having torn limbs amputated without anaesthetic, premature infants dying in incubators without power, and so on." due to IDF bombing & shelling? It works both ways.
What should Israel's response have been? It should have been considered, measured and surgical. It should have used world opinion to help pursue Hamas leadership & funding, in the same way Putin was sanction after invading Ukraine. It should have stopped the illegal ethnic cleansing on the West Bank and removed the settlements installed over the last 20 years.
By doing this it would have shown, like was done in NI, that there is another way to violence and at the same would disenfranchise the appeal of Hamas and restore momentum in the more centrist Palestinian & wider pan-Arab factions.