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Originally Posted by jfman
If not looking weak - essentially political posturing - is a price paid in Palestinian blood that will have inevitable consequences around the world.
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it’s not political posturing, it’s showing you have the force and fortitude to not be messed around with.
It’s the lack of, that arguably led towards the invasion of Ukraine, invasion of the Falklands and in a large degree the Second World War. If you’re deemed to be weak with no appetite for retaliation, you will be, at some point, attacked.
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For clarity I didn’t say that the region deny Israel’s rights to exist (some inevitably do, many do not) - my point was related to its security alone. And I’ve not claimed Israel can’t take steps in genuine self defence.
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noted.
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The pretence that Hamas are the de-facto Palestinian state might soothe the consciences of those that are pro-Israel but for everyone else it rings absolutely hollow as a justification for the civilian death toll and destruction of civilian communities and infrastructure.
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It’s not a pretence though, is it. If there was a two state solution arranged tomorrow, there are very short odds that they government of it would end up being an Islamist Jihadist group funded by Iran ……you can give them any name you wish.
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Hamas were widely criticised for tactics straight out the Middle Ages
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Using the term “ tactics” is very charitable of you.
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Israel won’t look much better if it’s only the technology that distinguishes them from the conflicts of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
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Don’t constrain yourself, we can go back thousand of years. As far back as when Jews were expelled from the very land they are accused of occupying ( but that’s a rabbit hole best avoided). Israel only has to look better in the defence of its people, no one else.