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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I am not of a right-wing mind set. Nobody here has yet properly and validly defined 'right wing'. They've tried to pin 'right-wing' on Leavers and now you're pinning it on me because I have smelt the coffee.
I have not dismissed history. History is part of evolution. Some societies (esp. European and its diaspora) have evolved along lines circumscribed by the Ten Commandments. Others vary in their adoption of western society values. One, in particular, that sends 300,000 marchers into London's streets (they could have ripped London up), does not share our values; there will be spectra within their society, at one end, who are bought into our values; at the other end - well you've seen the death and misery wreaked by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. If that society's MPs exceed in number our society's MPs, there is no doubt as to what will happen next - the militants will take over.
Your mention of Oswald Mosley was gratuitous. He was a one-off in the UK whose handful of nasty followers demonstrated what can happen when the wrong types take to the streets.
Yep - you got it. 9/11 proved that. 7/7 too. And October 7. Plus the demonstrators who want Israel wiped off the map.
You only have to look at the influence that only 6 Muslim MPs are trying to bear on the rest of the party. Why? They represent constituencies that are heavily Muslim populated. A Muslim majority in Parliament is, of course, contingent on the birth rate and immigration rate. Even if that tails off, a Muslim MP bloc is inevitable and that will bring culture clashes and, I'm quite certain, another 300,000 plus unpoliceable demonstrations.
Yep - another route to eventually gaining a parliamentary majority for the Muslims. In fact, that is the greater danger.
I first saw the word "WOKERATI" on Hugh's Avatar. You've fallen for the left-wing/right-wing fallacy. What you don't concede is the fact that men are men and woman are women, especially when it comes to public toilets and sports changing rooms. The 'liberal left' need their brains re-tested in that context.
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I. I spoke about the right-wing origins of your language, not about your position on the left/right political spectrum. If you continue to use right-wing buzz words and make right wing assumptions I may eventually conclude that you are right wing. Because I don't know you well, I can't come to a view yet.
2. My point about your attitude to history is that you are selective when it suits you. We agree, I think, in general terms about what it is that caused the rise of radical Islam and thereby terrorist acts, i.e. continued western military support for Israel despite its illegal expansionism and military interventions in Muslim lands, killing millions, in order to secure oil supplies. Yet, you believe that there is something exceptional about Islam that makes their reaction more likely than that of Christians or Jews. You choose not to list the colonial terrorist acts of Christian Europeans such as the Amritsar Massacre. There is a long list of the use of terror and air policing by countries such as the UK and France in order to subjugate local populations in Kenya, Libya, Algeria etc. Then, of course, there were the terrorist acts by Zionist zealots against Palestinians ands Brits that contributed to the creation of Israel. No doubt you will chose not to attribute this terrorism to the Christian or Jewish nature of those terrorists.
Incidentally, I was one of those peace marchers on Armistice Day, that could have ripped up London. I and 10s of thousands of non-Muslims joined the march for peace. Why did the marchers not rip up London? Could it be that the marchers, mostly Muslim men, women and children, shared the values of peace, which is why they were easily policeable? You selected out the genuinely unpoliceable fascist gangs of Mr Loxley Lennon who caused mayhem at the Cenotaph.
You probably need to read this survey of the attitudes of British Muslims to give yourself a balanced picture.
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...in-ipsos_0.pdf
3. The British Union of Fascists had a membership of over 50,000 in the 1930s and had the full support of Lord Rothermere and the Daily Mail. They subscribed to the Nazi view of Jewry. Only the outbreak of war prevented Mosley et al from gaining strength. As it is, his organisation was made illegal and members were thrown into jail.
4. I'm glad you noted how those Muslim MPs stood up for the people of Gaza and the West Bank but you omitted to mention the sizeable number of non-Muslim MPs. You see, you did it again. By leaving out the non-Muslim peace protestors and rebelling MPs you hoped that would support your conspiracy theory that the Muslims are against us and preparing for an takeover when Muslim population suddenly leaps to over 50% of the population.
For my amusement, I see a great irony here, when you project the rising number of Muslims in the light of large Muslim component of our vastly increasing net immigration numbers. The irony is that those immigrants are replacing the 100s of thousands of white, Christian EU workers who started to leave our shores from June 23rd 2016. I don't know if you voted Leave or Remain, but many who voted leave did so to reduce immigration. They hadn't realised that immigration numbers are largely ruled by the needs of the economy and that EU workers would have to be replaced with mostly non-white, non-Christian immigrants, many of whom are skilled Muslims. I wonder if some of those Leave voters are now complaining about a Muslim takeover.
5. I see you have had a go at the left and at liberals poorly stereotyping them as unable to distinguish between male and female. These kinds of generalisations are pretty mindless and shabby stuff, not worth of someone capable of grasping the intricacies of the world of IT, networks etc way beyond my ability. You stereotype Muslims just as clumsily. I understand that pigeon-holing groups and individuals makes it easier to dismiss or attack them and also reduces cognitive dissonance, but in the end it intellectually lazy and potentially dangerous as we saw when Adolf deployed stereotypes to powerful effect.
A general problem I see in the field of sexual identity, is people's inability to distinguish between sex and gender. Our sex is either Male or Female according to attributes we have at birth. (Genuine hermaphrodites are a miniscule minority) However, gender is a social construct. A significant number of males and females, due to hormone irregularities or socio-environmental factors or wilful misassignment by their parents do not feel that they are the gender they have been assigned. They need recognition, help and support, either medical and/or social. They certainly shouldn't be discriminated against.
Regarding public toilets and showers my view is that maximum choice is the key to reducing concerns about privacy especially when accommodating people who don't fall into traditional gender categories. It would also accommodate those men and women who are concerned about being perved by gays. The move towards unisex toilets and showers areas, but with ample private spaces for those who need and want it, is the way to go anyway. Lots of toilet cubicles and hidden urinals and individual shower cubicles is sensible. I am not proposing that we go down the route of Belgium Sun Parks that I experienced over 30 years ago. There I was changing ready for a swim when two women entered the area and started changing too I hadn't realised that the Belgians were so grown up and had left concerns about nudity so far behind years ago and that if I had wanted privacy there were plenty cubicles. I guess they feel that if nudity in public areas is commonplace then there is no point in furtive perving.
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Well I have enjoyed your lengthy diatribes, and your well structured, seemingly well researched, cognisant opinion.
But you’ve just torpedoed yourself under the water line with that remark.
I now see you for who you are. You are illuminated.
Thank you for the clarification.
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I'm disappointed. You tease me with your remarks, but give no explanation or examples.
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Originally Posted by Pierre
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Doh! We can all find examples of useless people especially if we trawl those sources, but what about the vast majority who are useful?