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Originally Posted by roughbeast

The mere use of the term 'virtue signalling', whoever it is aimed at, has become an indicator of a right-wing mind set. Having said that, I once used it ironically against a right-wing correspondent who indulged in actual virtual signalling.

You can't dismiss history just because it no longer suit you. I first brought up recent immigration of Jews as an example of how the current stereotyping of Islam and Muslims has happened under similar immigration circumstances, but in the context of Judaism and Jews. I was hoping you might learn from history. Right-wing fanatics and fascist like Oswald Mosley warned us of Jews doing what you are now telling us that Muslims are planning.

You then dip into history to explain that Europe has always been Judeo-Christian and that is why Jews integrated so well. Pity someone didn't explain that to Oswald Mosley

I then dipped into history to explain how relatively tolerant of Christianity Islam was when it was at its height in contrast to the brutality of evangelical Christian European colonialists. I also explained how the scriptures predisposed all three Ibrahimic religions to being either brutal or highly civilised. I explained that on this basis Muslims weren't exceptionally hard to integrate. Suddenly, you decided that history wasn't so relevant after all.

You tell me that history is no longer relevant, because we are looking at Muslims now, not 900 years ago, presumably because Islam now is intrinsically different than it was then.

Having then decided it is Muslims now that are the problem you then fail to convince us that there is a conspiracy to take over the western world. You are convinced this is there ambition berceuse ... erm history tells us that they are like that and that some of them are quite angry now for some reason or other.

Finally, there's that question you asked somewhere in that previous 13 pages of debate.

"What would happen to us if there was a Muslim majority in Parliament? "

Firstly, if that were to happen, then it would seem that most of the 93% of the country that aren't Muslim, decided they wanted Muslim MPs. Suddenly we must have decided that Muslims R us!

But, to be fair to you, I guess you meant that this might happen in some future you have in mind, where all those Muslims breeding like rabbits and arriving in rubber dinghies outnumber non-Muslims. I think that scenario has already been well and truly dissed. The only way that would happen is if most of the the folk of sub-Saharan Africa and the near East headed this way because climate change had made their land unlivable! Whoops! Perhaps we better sort out climate change quickly. After all, global warming is the enemy of all of us.

BTW. Your definitions of the made-up words Wokerati and Remoaner are just laughable. They would be hilarious terms if it were not for the fact that such words are deliberately deployed by the right-wing's puppet masters because they know that if their marionettes have those words in their vocabulary they can use them to pigeon-hole and dismiss members of the liberal left without having to engage them in informed rational debate. This makes it so much easier to propagate conspiracy theories amongst the gullible, keeping them socially and intellectually at a distance from those who might explain what is really going on.

The mere use of the term 'virtue signalling', whoever it is aimed at, has become an indicator of a right-wing mind set. Having said that, I once used it ironically against a right-wing correspondent who indulged in actual virtual signalling.

I am not of a right-wing mind set. Nobody here has yet properly and validly defined 'right wing'. They've tried to pin 'right-wing' on Leavers and now you're pinning it on me because I have smelt the coffee.

You can't dismiss history just because it no longer suit you. I first brought up recent immigration of Jews as an example of how the current stereotyping of Islam and Muslims has happened under similar immigration circumstances, but in the context of Judaism and Jews. I was hoping you might learn from history. Right-wing fanatics and fascist like Oswald Mosley warned us of Jews doing what you are now telling us that Muslims are planning.

You then dip into history to explain that Europe has always been Judeo-Christian and that is why Jews integrated so well. Pity someone didn't explain that to Oswald Mosley

I have not dismissed history. History is part of evolution. Some societies (esp. European and its diaspora) have evolved along lines circumscribed by the Ten Commandments. Others vary in their adoption of western society values. One, in particular, that sends 300,000 marchers into London's streets (they could have ripped London up), does not share our values; there will be spectra within their society, at one end, who are bought into our values; at the other end - well you've seen the death and misery wreaked by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. If that society's MPs exceed in number our society's MPs, there is no doubt as to what will happen next - the militants will take over.

Your mention of Oswald Mosley was gratuitous. He was a one-off in the UK whose handful of nasty followers demonstrated what can happen when the wrong types take to the streets.

I then dipped into history to explain how relatively tolerant of Christianity Islam was when it was at its height in contrast to the brutality of evangelical Christian European colonialists. I also explained how the scriptures predisposed all three Ibrahimic religions to being either brutal or highly civilised. I explained that on this basis Muslims weren't exceptionally hard to integrate. Suddenly, you decided that history wasn't so relevant after all.

You tell me that history is no longer relevant, because we are looking at Muslims now, not 900 years ago, presumably because Islam now is intrinsically different than it was then.

Yep - you got it. 9/11 proved that. 7/7 too. And October 7. Plus the demonstrators who want Israel wiped off the map.

Finally, there's that question you asked somewhere in that previous 13 pages of debate.

"What would happen to us if there was a Muslim majority in Parliament? "

Firstly, if that were to happen, then it would seem that most of the 93% of the country that aren't Muslim, decided they wanted Muslim MPs. Suddenly we must have decided that Muslims R us!

You only have to look at the influence that only 6 Muslim MPs are trying to bear on the rest of the party. Why? They represent constituencies that are heavily Muslim populated. A Muslim majority in Parliament is, of course, contingent on the birth rate and immigration rate. Even if that tails off, a Muslim MP bloc is inevitable and that will bring culture clashes and, I'm quite certain, another 300,000 plus unpoliceable demonstrations.

But, to be fair to you, I guess you meant that this might happen in some future you have in mind, where all those Muslims breeding like rabbits and arriving in rubber dinghies outnumber non-Muslims. I think that scenario has already been well and truly dissed. The only way that would happen is if most of the the folk of sub-Saharan Africa and the near East headed this way because climate change had made their land unlivable! Whoops! Perhaps we better sort out climate change quickly. After all, global warming is the enemy of all of us.

Yep - another route to eventually gaining a parliamentary majority for the Muslims. In fact, that is the greater danger.

BTW. Your definitions of the made-up words Wokerati and Remoaner are just laughable. They would be hilarious terms if it were not for the fact that such words are deliberately deployed by the right-wing's puppet masters because they know that if their marionettes have those words in their vocabulary they can use them to pigeon-hole and dismiss members of the liberal left without having to engage them in informed rational debate. This makes it so much easier to propagate conspiracy theories amongst the gullible, keeping them socially and intellectually at a distance from those who might explain what is really going on.

I first saw the word "WOKERATI" on Hugh's Avatar. You've fallen for the left-wing/right-wing fallacy. What you don't concede is the fact that men are men and woman are women, especially when it comes to public toilets and sports changing rooms. The 'liberal left' need their brains re-tested in that context.