Thread: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Old 20-11-2023, 19:02   #815
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Originally Posted by ianch99 View Post
You said you were a clear thinker, well I disagree. If you are unable to consider how people react or behave in different situations, then I would challenge your assertion.

Discussing IDF's behaviour in a different context is a valid discussion since it posits the argument that they behave the way have in Gaza *because* they are in Gaza and their targets are, in their eyes, not worth the same consideration as their own people would merit.
The clear thinkers are those who understand what is unavoidable when a deadly enemy surround themselves with innocent men, women and children to avoid being attacked themselves.

There are casualties in war. Look at Ukraine. Look at Yemen. Join the dots.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy View Post
You know prior to October 7th 620 Palestinians had been killed by Israelis this year, how many Israelis had been killed by Palestinians 6, that's not perceived as disposable it's actually disposing of people, better people than me will know why we have anything to do with the Israeli government




Tiny minority but hey if it deflects from the meaning of the march and the reason most people were there it makes sense to paint a picture

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You only have to look at Hebron to know this is true
And why, pray, did the Israelis kill those nice Palestinians who were just having a little game with them by continually firing rockets at Israel?

We need to have a grown up conversation about this sort of thing and stop engaging in these shallow and absurd comments. It’s Hamas that doesn’t want peace and deliberately wrecked the peace talks by this dreadful act of barbarism.

And yet only Israel is the target of the vitriol.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 View Post
If you research the history of the area, you can easily see the decades of ethnic cleaning in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The denial of this, in the face of UN resolutions, helps to understand the mindset in play. Israel as represented by the current & past Likud administrations, feels it can go beyond boundaries that most democratic governments would baulk at. Why? Because of the support of the US and the billions of dollars it provides.

When criticised, it is quick to play the Anti-Semitism & Holocaust cards to shout down legitimate calls for restraint. Until Israel is held to account for its actions, what we saw during the Hamas attack will just repeat, again and again, destabilising the whole region.
Cause and effect. This time, Hamas has gone too far. They will no longer be in existence to be able to respond this time around.

As for Iran, their bluff has been called and they have now confirmed that they will not be retaliating.
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