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Originally Posted by jfman

Which is it? Crush obliterate Gaza because Hamas should be crushed (is that the strategic objective?), or just crush them until Hamas release hostages (a substantively different objective)?

Certainly nothing I've heard from the Israeli Government supports the claim that the release of the hostages is the primary objective.

Since Israel has essentially made the objective something completely unachievable it's a never ending conflict. Which, if you wanted to commit ethnic cleansing but not call it that, would be exactly the type of scenario you'd want to engineer.

John, you're no fool yet you're letting yourself down here.

The strategic objective is, obviously, to crush Hamas. But there is pressure on Israel to participate in a ceasefire, which interrupts their strategic objective but with the "reward" of hostage release.

As to your ridiculous assertion of 'ethnic cleansing', you're deliberately omitting recognition of what Hamas is and hence the need to eradicate those murderers.


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Originally Posted by jfman

Sorry Pierre I thought history started on October 7. If we are going back further, only to further the Zionist cause, you must permit the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians prior to your arbitrary start date be brought into the debate.

It’s difficult to work out a response to the rest of your post since you seem to be advocating a genocide, something to universally reprehensible the arguments rarely need made, I’ll save the rest of the forum members from the back and forth.

You are only seeing what you want to see, and cherry picking events from a complex history to suit.

Israel already occupies Gaza by any international standard and once they have boots on the ground long term as Netanyahu indicates nobody can be surprised when whatever state apparatus Israel puts in place will becomes a target - and a legitimate under international law given the atrocities committed by Israel in the last month. There’s no victory, military or moral, to be had.

You are so persistent in attacking Israel one could be forgiven for thinking you could be on the street demonstrating for Hamas.

No real mention of the atrocities carried out by Hamas. What a shame that you are displaying these colours.