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Originally Posted by jfman
Which is it? Crush obliterate Gaza because Hamas should be crushed (is that the strategic objective?), or just crush them until Hamas release hostages (a substantively different objective)?
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I don't the releasing of the hostages would stop Israel, but it may make them open to a temporary cease fire, and or a string of cease fires enabling people to leave, aid to get it in etc.
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Certainly nothing I've heard from the Israeli Government supports the claim that the release of the hostages is the primary objective.
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It's one of them, Netanyahu said so in his speech last week.
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Since Israel has essentially made the objective something completely unachievable it's a never ending conflict. Which, if you wanted to commit ethnic cleansing but not call it that, would be exactly the type of scenario you'd want to engineer.
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Well the problem is that Hamas and pretty much every bordering state would happily ethnically cleanse all Jews, without a second thought.
The two state solution is a non-starter because Palestinians don't want it, and have already turned it down at least once. For Palestinians and Palestinian supporters the only solution is one state solution.....a Palestinian state, from the river to the sea.
Therefore, it is logical that the only solution for Israel is a one state solution...... Israel, from the river to the sea.
Call it what you want.
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Originally Posted by jfman
Hamas have exceeded the Israeli kill rate of civilians on one single day in the last month. If Israel unilaterally ceased fire, Hamas would barely nudge the dial on civilians killed. If they moved it at all.
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So they should release the hostages then, and there may be room to talk
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The only hostages getting killed are by Israeli bombs.
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you don't think the hostages should be immediately, unconditionally released?