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Originally Posted by jfman
I’ll file it next to the IDF claiming they don’t target civilians with my photos of all the hospitals, refugee camps and churches that have been bombed. Alongside whole neighbourhoods razed to the ground.
I trust you aren’t using this to dispute the headline figure of civilian casualties, women and children killed? If anything even the Israeli’s think it’s an undercount.
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Of course it could be that it’s the only health ministry they have. There’s been little indication they’ve fudged the figures over the years.
Even Israeli sources are quoting 20,000 killed, and US sources questioning whether the Israeli actions are even making a dent in Hamas capability.
It’s more likely the BBC and others are using “Hamas run” to give Israel that cover to dispute the figure, which it appears they don’t even bother to do.
By anyone’s count the Israeli’s have killed more civilians - and far more children - in a month than Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine has in around a year and three quarters. An armed conflict that has saw Russia secure 20% of Ukrainian territory, something around the size of the UK. Gaza is a mere city being obliterated with no regard for the civilians living there.
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Actually I was using it mostly to nudge the thread back on to some relevant discussion, and because Marzouk happens to be on the front page this morning.
The apposite phrase right now would seem to be a plague on both their houses. Hamas is a murderous terrorist organisation with no interest in behaving according to international norms even while it presents itself as the legitimate government of Gaza. ‘Hamas run’ seems to me to be a well-calibrated phrase allowing the BBC to report what it says while allowing the possibility that it might not be reliable.
And there is no sense in which Israel’s response can be considered proportionate or strategic. It’s straight up vengeance with no regard for what comes next. I note this morning they’re now talking about taking on security responsibility for Gaza once this is over, which sounds like they’re preparing for occupation but are unable to call a spade a spade. If they go through with that, they’ll make Belfast 1972 look like a shining beacon of tolerance and respect by comparison.