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Old 20-10-2023, 14:14   #384
jfman
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Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
I do which is why I called you out on your race to the bottom.

No one is criticising Israel's right to defend itself. But members like me on this forum are not giving Israel carte blanche to break international law by collective punishment like cutting off the utilities.
You are banging your head against a brick wall. There’s no price that the population can ever pay, even in the blood of their children, that will be enough for those with the extreme anti-Palestinian sentiment that he holds.

The death count is what 3:1, 4:1? When is enough?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
They have cut off utilities to force Hamas to surface from their tunnels, and apparently this has been pretty successful so far. How many Israeli soldiers do you want to be killed if supplies are restored? This is the quickest way of flushing them out.

This is not a ‘collective punishment’, it is the means to destroy Hamas. It is not aimed at the Palestinian civilians. There will be collateral damage whatever Israel does in fighting Hamas because they are using civilians as human shields.

You haven’t thought this through, Andrew. Your preferred option will achieve nothing except to prolong the war, and the longer it goes on, the more civilian casualties there will be.

Don’t sit there trying to describe what I think as ‘a race to the bottom’. Both the UK PM and the Leader of the Opposition understand and accept the Israeli strategy. You are the one who is off message.
You are absolutely deluded if you think Hamas are hiding out in tunnels relying Israeli electricity. I’ll give your flawed strategy some latitude though and ask the question how many days should it go on for if they don’t surface? How many Palestinian children dying does it take for it to no longer be considered proportionate?

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