[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

“Collateral damage” isn’t expelling 1 million people from their homes, turning off water, electricity and blocking aid from Egypt.

Those are punitive measures. There’s nothing “self-defence” about it. You are either too stupid to understand what you are witnessing, too stupid to understand self-defence isn’t an exemption from international law, or both.

The crux of your position:



Remains fundamentally flawed. You’ve been told that the vast majority of people in Gaza are too young to have voted in that election before. You’ve been told that of those who were eligible a majority voted for someone else.

If you can’t integrate reality into your own “insight” then I can’t help you.

Problem with this part of the discussion is that both of you are right.

OB is basically saying that retaliation by Israel was inevitable given the Hamas atrocities and the severity of that retaliation is thereby justified. What else was Israel to do? Ask the stupid UN to sort it out? And the people of Gaza voted for Hamas, so there.

jfman is saying that the calamitous effect on innocent people is deplorable.

Seph is saying that Hamas are the bar stewards here, hiding among the people they've screwed over in their hatred of Israel and its Jews. The innocent people, for that's what they are, are the victims of Hamas' callousness.