Thread: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War
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Old 16-10-2023, 10:24   #271
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Re: Hamas Israel War
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Originally Posted by Chris View Post
Civilised nation states do not fight war crimes by designing war crimes into their battle plans.

Yes, the Israel-Palestine conflict is difficult. Far more difficult than most people realise, given the tendency to appeal to two fixed points in history (either 1967 or 1948) which tend to simplify the issue beyond reason. But it is troubling that you choose to use a phrase like ‘erase from the map’ - quite aside from the fact that this is the language of genocide (and is what Iran has said it would like to do to Israel), it’s also the language of geography. You say ‘Hamas’, but do you truly hold a correct distinction between ‘Hamas’ and ‘Gaza’ or ‘Palestine’?

The laws of war, as defined in treaties Israel is signatory to, recognise the inevitability of civilian casualties in armed conflict. They also demand these be minimised. It is far from clear that Israel is doing anything to minimise civilian casualties in Gaza.
That’s not my words, Chris! This is just denial on your part.

Hamas will not be content until Israel is no longer occupied by the Israelis, and Israel has every right to defend itself. To do so, it does need to take out Hamas. If it doesn’t the daily rocket attacks continue and both random and planned terror attacks will take place periodically. How do you propose that Israel deal with Hamas when they embed themselves amongst civilians for whatever reason?

There are bound to be inadvertent casualties - collateral damage as they say in the business - and as long as Israel do what they can to protect citizens while attending to the matter at hand, they will not be in breach of international law.

Why do you expect Israel to comply with every nicety of civilisation when the other side plays as dirty as it gets? This is a totally unrealistic expectation.

I do think, however, that there needs to be an investigation as to who killed those people trying to escape the area. That is very concerning, and I hope it wasn’t Israel. Hamas are not averse to blowing up their own people and blaming it on Israel. They have form. And of course, they are telling their own people not to leave, which puts them in harm’s way. That is on Hamas.
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