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Old 14-10-2023, 18:09   #227
jfman
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Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Your prevarications and talking around the points raised remind me of some friends of mine who were in the CPGB in the mid-80s - you have been vehement in this thread about why people should be condemning (quite rightly) the injuring and killing of innocent children, but you haven’t said a word in the Ukraine thread about the same actions carried out by the Russians, and your definition of a "peaceful" solution in Ukraine is letting the Russians keep all the territory they’ve invaded in this conflict and in 2014, allowing them to rebuild their military capabilities and do the same thing again.
My point in the other thread is that the “fight for every inch” position is not sustainable - something that it patently is not and more so now given one of America’s genuine allies will be dipping the same stockpiles (of weapons and money) that Zelensky needs. I’m more than happy to discuss that on that thread.

Two nation states at war is a palpably different scenario from what we see today. Regardless, I’ve been clear and consistent about civilian deaths and war crimes in all conflicts as unwelcome although arguably inevitable.

However what Israel are doing so brazenly is on a scale beyond what we have seen elsewhere.

Yet we are all dutifully expected to bow down and reiterate her right to defend herself every time the conflict is mentioned, when legitimate defence probably expired on Monday or Tuesday. Something that could reasonably be anticipated by anyone who parroted it last weekend and seen now by anyone who still parrots it.
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