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Old 13-10-2023, 08:39   #188
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Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages

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Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
Just reading over this thread, and Twitter and other sources. It’s just depressing.

Babies beheaded, children beheaded and burnt alive. Children executed in front of parents, young women raped, families tortured………….

Oh but, what about, what about, I’ll raise you women and children bombed, babies under rubble, cutting off water, food, fuel, power,

Equivalence?

In WWII, the allies did some bad things. Was Dresden necessary? Was Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary? ( US fire bombing actually killed more people in Japan). The allies did bad things. But were they evil?

War is nasty and horrible, don’t expect reasonable outcomes or actions.

But consider evil……….

The Nazi death camps were evil. Anyone that has watched the footage when the allies first entered those camps will have seen hell on Earth. When the allies made the local German residents walk around the death camps their reactions said it all.

Israel have done and are now doing things that are nasty and arguably vindictive, but are they Evil?

Beheading children, burning them alive, executing them in front of their families, that is evil.

Let’s say Hamas, was big enough and powerful enough to totally invade and take over Israel. Based on what just happened, We would witness another holocaust, they would kill in cold blood every Jew. Men, women and children. Just like the Nazis.

Could you say the same of Israel to Palestinians? Israel are already the big and powerful for over 70 years and still no genocide.

So I find no equivalence between what Hamas have done and what Israel have done. Both have done very bad things. But I find only one to be evil.
I find it interesting that your go to place is to compare nation states, acting in a World War context and then make pretend comparisons. The real world is nothing like this which I suspect you know but you seem to want to obfuscate the discussion with exaggerated claims to try and legitimise the carrying of war crimes.

You seem to be claiming that people are trying to make a kind of equivalence whatever that means in this context. The main argument here is that Israel does not have a blank cheque for its actions no matter what emotive and sometimes imaginary comparisons are made.
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