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Originally Posted by jfman
There's probably a more interesting one in armchair war experts willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Ukranians in a military experiment from the safety of their own sofa.
People who disagree with you haven't been "captured" by information ops if what they actually say is true. Its no more credible to claim them to have been captured by propaganda than the "fight for every inch" brigade who are wilfully ignoring that very few border disputes ever resolve themselves with one, larger, force being fully repelled. At some point the human and financial cost of doing so creates diminishing returns. However, it's a much easier judgement to make when it's not your own blood.
At least we are all agreed there's no democratic mechanism for Ukranian people to remove Zelensky if they decided negotiating a peace agreement was a better strategy than throwing more meat into the grinder.
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As per usual you prefer to ignore the inconvenient question of Ukrainian agency, which clearly you think only exists to the extent that it aligns with Western policy. Your hypotheticals aren’t addressing it - they’re just regurgitated Russian obfuscation. I don’t know which corners of the internet you frequent when you’re not here but clearly wherever it is has been thoroughly infested by the ‘just asking questions’ tendency, which curiously never seems to want to deal with the answers, even when they are readily available.
There is very, very solid support for continuing to fight from within Ukraine. Sure, without Western arms that would be very hard but the willingness to thoroughly expel Russia from the entire internationally recognised sovereign territory of Ukraine is a Ukrainian desire and a Ukrainian project. That has not wavered, nor is there any evidence of it being likely to do so. Watching your relatives get raped and tortured will do that to you.
Ukraine is in an existential struggle, and your petty obsessions with matters the Ukrainians themselves seem remarkably unconcerned with is distasteful in the context of what they are fighting against.