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Sephiroth · 05-08-2023, 15:40

I am totally rational at all times. I also like to place focus when people like Den can only attack my description of certain Remainers rather than address the actual challenge put forward.

That rather oversize, Hughesque image contains some truths in the sense of describing what’s gone downhill since Brexit. I just challenge what negative effect on that list has been caused by Brexit.

CRASHED CURRENCY - is that where we sit now? It certainly has had crashed moments, especially after the Brexit vote, but right now I’m seeing levels similar to 2016.

PRICE RIUSES - is that entirely due to Brexit? Costs of doing business with the EU have risen, and the costs have been passed on to consumers. What’s should be happening, under a decent investment friendly government, is to work sufficiently hard to increase our wealth. The price rise component due to Brexit has not been unaffordable.

NORMALISATION OF LYING - the expressed hopes of the Leave Campaign should not be relegated to LYING. Only Remainers do that. I’m disappointed at the slow pace of growth - mainly due to government incompetence.

WORSENING TRADE GAP - Yes, that’s true and it is not beneficial to us. That’s the price of regaining sovereignty from a nasty regime in Brussels that only wants to punish us. Why would we want to be a member of such a regimen? As a member, we could not undo this.

THE UNDERMINING OF PARLIAMENT - What’s that got to do with Brexit? If EU federates, then Parliament would be undermined. If you are referring to that clown Boris and that fool Truss, then that’s got nothing to do with Brexit. Self-inflicted (by the Tories) wounds, they were.

THE SPLINTERING OF FAMILIES - I never like to see this (in the EU context) and I didn’t know this was a big issue.

LOSS OF HIGH INCOME JOBS - Loss? Or non-growth of high income jobs? The latter is due to government incompetence,, not Brexit.

THREAT TO PEACE IN IRELAND - what threat? That was a confection created by Varadkar just to make life difficult for the UK. The stupid government swallowed that hook, line and sinker and we now have the ridiculous situation of a North Sea Border. That’s one side to it; the other side is that with wise investment, NI can have the best of both worlds and if I was the NI SOS, I’d be working on that with fervour.

THE SHORTAGE OF FARM WORKERS - yes, that’s true; but is that a big reason to have remained in the EU? This problem needs a structural solution that still needs a lot of design.

FURTHER ALIENATION OF SCOTLAND - We either have a UK or we don’t. 52/48 represents the democratically expressed view of the UK on a Brexit ticket. Personally, I would have preferred a stronger mandate but there was no constitutional mechanism for the government of the day to have set any margin whereby governing taking forward the Referendum result. The ALIENATION is purely a manipulation mechanism cionfected by the SNP in their stupid pursuit of power.

WEAKENING OF OUR SCIENCE BASE - I want to see the government taking a sensible road in rejoins the European science institutions.

THE LOSS OF HEALTH COVER IN 27 COUNTRIES - really? What’s the GHIC about? And we can negotiate reciprocity.

HIGHER PHONE CHARGES WHEN TRAVELLING - not for O2 users.

LOSS OF GDPR PROTECTION. - What loss? GDPR still applies (and it’s far too onerous in some respects).

UNCERTAINTY IN GIBRALTAR - there is no uncertainty. Spain is trying it on again and those bustard in Brussels are lending Spain a hand. Why would we want to be in such a corrupt union?

LOSS OF INFLUENCE IN THE WORLD - nothing to do with Brexit. The EC wants greater control over foreign policy (VdL’s first speech) which would reduce our influence. What’s happening now regarding our influence is nothing to do with Brexit and a lot to do with world events on which the EU also has no influence.

SOARING DEBT - nothing to do with Brexit. All to do with world circumstances made doubly worse by government incompetence.

We are where we are due to incompetent government which has imperilled the NHS and it’s nothing to do with BREXIT beyond what I’ve iterated above.

05-08-2023, 15:40	#5434
Sephiroth Wisdom & truth Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: RG41 Services: RG41: 1Gig VOLT Rutland: Gigaclear 400/400 Posts: 12,457	Re: Britain outside the EU I am totally rational at all times. I also like to place focus when people like Den can only attack my description of certain Remainers rather than address the actual challenge put forward. That rather oversize, Hughesque image contains some truths in the sense of describing what’s gone downhill since Brexit. I just challenge what negative effect on that list has been caused by Brexit. CRASHED CURRENCY - is that where we sit now? It certainly has had crashed moments, especially after the Brexit vote, but right now I’m seeing levels similar to 2016. PRICE RIUSES - is that entirely due to Brexit? Costs of doing business with the EU have risen, and the costs have been passed on to consumers. What’s should be happening, under a decent investment friendly government, is to work sufficiently hard to increase our wealth. The price rise component due to Brexit has not been unaffordable. NORMALISATION OF LYING - the expressed hopes of the Leave Campaign should not be relegated to LYING. Only Remainers do that. I’m disappointed at the slow pace of growth - mainly due to government incompetence. WORSENING TRADE GAP - Yes, that’s true and it is not beneficial to us. That’s the price of regaining sovereignty from a nasty regime in Brussels that only wants to punish us. Why would we want to be a member of such a regimen? As a member, we could not undo this. THE UNDERMINING OF PARLIAMENT - What’s that got to do with Brexit? If EU federates, then Parliament would be undermined. If you are referring to that clown Boris and that fool Truss, then that’s got nothing to do with Brexit. Self-inflicted (by the Tories) wounds, they were. THE SPLINTERING OF FAMILIES - I never like to see this (in the EU context) and I didn’t know this was a big issue. LOSS OF HIGH INCOME JOBS - Loss? Or non-growth of high income jobs? The latter is due to government incompetence,, not Brexit. THREAT TO PEACE IN IRELAND - what threat? That was a confection created by Varadkar just to make life difficult for the UK. The stupid government swallowed that hook, line and sinker and we now have the ridiculous situation of a North Sea Border. That’s one side to it; the other side is that with wise investment, NI can have the best of both worlds and if I was the NI SOS, I’d be working on that with fervour. THE SHORTAGE OF FARM WORKERS - yes, that’s true; but is that a big reason to have remained in the EU? This problem needs a structural solution that still needs a lot of design. FURTHER ALIENATION OF SCOTLAND - We either have a UK or we don’t. 52/48 represents the democratically expressed view of the UK on a Brexit ticket. Personally, I would have preferred a stronger mandate but there was no constitutional mechanism for the government of the day to have set any margin whereby governing taking forward the Referendum result. The ALIENATION is purely a manipulation mechanism cionfected by the SNP in their stupid pursuit of power. WEAKENING OF OUR SCIENCE BASE - I want to see the government taking a sensible road in rejoins the European science institutions. THE LOSS OF HEALTH COVER IN 27 COUNTRIES - really? What’s the GHIC about? And we can negotiate reciprocity. HIGHER PHONE CHARGES WHEN TRAVELLING - not for O2 users. LOSS OF GDPR PROTECTION. - What loss? GDPR still applies (and it’s far too onerous in some respects). UNCERTAINTY IN GIBRALTAR - there is no uncertainty. Spain is trying it on again and those bustard in Brussels are lending Spain a hand. Why would we want to be in such a corrupt union? LOSS OF INFLUENCE IN THE WORLD - nothing to do with Brexit. The EC wants greater control over foreign policy (VdL’s first speech) which would reduce our influence. What’s happening now regarding our influence is nothing to do with Brexit and a lot to do with world events on which the EU also has no influence. SOARING DEBT - nothing to do with Brexit. All to do with world circumstances made doubly worse by government incompetence. We are where we are due to incompetent government which has imperilled the NHS and it’s nothing to do with BREXIT beyond what I’ve iterated above. __________________ *Seph.* My advice is at your risk.