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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit Broadcasting Corporation pandering to Nige, surely not!
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Seb Dance believes he has lied.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/seb..._14591852.html

Andrew, I didn't think it would be you that promoted that ridiculous link. I'll pull it apart. From the link:

1. The lies in Farage's speech this week [That was Feb-2018]

Not one lie, but several. He said that Barack Obama had enacted extreme vetting on immigration during his presidency. He didn't. Obama did review the vetting procedures applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas, unlike Trump who has ordered a ban on people from seven countries with a population of more than 130million, including tourists and business travellers.
[SEPH: Not a lie at all. Hardly even economical with the truth.

Farage also said Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain refused to take a single refugee or displaced person from Syria, when in fact there are actually 2-3million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived when the war began and are no therefore included in UNHCR statistics. The Saudi government has, since the conflict began in 2011, hosted 2.5million refugees and has given permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of Syrians.
[SEPH: Hardly a, lie is it, particularly as the assertion is made without a time point for Farage's comment. I'll tell you what a lie is:
"I did not mislead the House".

2. Immigrants

When people try to have a sensible, grown up debate about immigration and acknowledge that immigration has been massively important in contributing not just to our society but to the health of our economy and public services - they are dismissed as 'metropolitan elites', that they don't understand. It's a dangerous lie when you start constructing so-called solutions to the problems we face day in day on lies, you end up building an entire machinery of deceit. Nigel Farage has been front and centre of these efforts and should be held to account.

[SEPH: No attributable lie has actually been alleged against Farage here. Indeed, whatever the supposed lie was meant to be, amounts to no more than some vague is ambiguous suggestion over 'metropolitan elites'.

3. The EU is unelected

In his speech, Farage accused the European Commission of being the sole arbiter of legislation in the European Union. He's got form on this, a lot of it. In reality the Commission takes it priorities from elected member state governments (the Council) and performs a role more akin to the British civil service. The third institution, the European Parliament, is made up of directly elected MEPs. Farage should know this by now, he's been one for over 10 years.

[SEPH: The Commission proposes legislation which is then passed "up" the chain, to the non-elected Council, then across to the elected parliament and back to the Commission for execution. The Commission is the arbiter when they actually do the proposing of legislation. The charge against Farage is shallow.

4. The majority of our laws are made by the EU

Farage and his ilk have been getting away with this one for too long. He claims that 70% of the laws in the UK are made by the EU. The real number is difficult to quantify, but the independent House of Commons library put it at just 13.2%.

[SEPH: The "ilk" really waters down the allegation that Farage is a liar. The BBC's Legal Correspondent says that the figure is somewhere between 13% and 60%, and explains why; essentially it depends on what is meant by "UK Law". Read the BBC article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36473105

5. The EU costs Britain £55million a day

Every time I hear this I'm immediately transported back to the referendum campaign and it makes me want to put my head through a wall. Let's be clear, the EU does not cost £55million every day. This is double the real number and does not account for the benefits we get back. And before you ask, no, £350million extra a week will not be given to the NHS when we leave. Nigel Farage and every other leading figure who backed leave distanced themselves the morning after the vote.

[SEPH: The £55 million/day claim was made by Farage in a 2016 debate with Nick Clegg. Farage said: "Our campaign to Leave the EU is based on fact. It costs £55million every single day to be a member of this European Union. Our Parliament is no longer sovereign and a majority of our laws are made for us by the EU. Our own Supreme Court can be overruled by a court in Luxembourg staffed by people who aren’t even proper judges.". As with thestupid £350m/week claim made by the official LEAVE campaign, Farage was being economical with the truth, though the the element of truth was the before discount gross amount. Hardly something over which to call him a "habitual liar".

You might not like Farage; you might not agree with his views; but calling him a "habitual liar", as Ian vitriolically does and which you seem to support, is plain wrong.


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