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Old 23-07-2023, 17:28   #5348
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
@Hugh

I said “we all know what left wing is”. That has nothing to do with my subjective position.

The ‘right wing’ is a wider spectrum of political desires and practices. I’m merely trying to obtain a reference point for those who talk about ‘right wing’ in respect of our politics.

All you’re trying to do is be the contrary clever dick which doesn’t aid the conversation. We’ll be getting one of your stupid oversize pictures next.

So this

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The challenge for most is that they base their understanding/definition from where they are standing - subjectively, not objectively; to a reasonably large number of Americans, the current Conservative Government is "left-wing", as it supports (mostly) Socialised Medicine, has re-nationalised some companies, support gun control, committed to Net Zero, etc., etc.
isn’t contributing to the conversation?

I was pointing out that, whilst to most people in the U.K., the Conservatives are seen as "right wing", to other parts of the world, they are not (so much). The other challenge is that you seem to be aiming for a "one size fits all" definition, whilst in practice, this rarely works - most people tend to have a mixture of beliefs, which, depending on where you are looking from, vary on the spectrum of left to right wing; for instance, I’m quite fiscally conservative, but socially liberal (please note the small "c"and "l").

To my Scottish family, I am seen as quite "Conservative", but to you, I’m probably "left wing".

As I posted previously, it’s complicated…

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ts-complicated

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Framing politics in terms of left-wing and right-wing might be simple for politicians, and comforting to activists, but it seems that these terms just aren’t that useful for talking about - or indeed to - the general public.

A new YouGov study reveals that the political wing spectrum is poorly understood and also that huge numbers of people don’t hold consistent left- and right-wing outlooks.

(Please note this is all before even getting into the argument about whether the left- and right-wing scale should be accompanied by an authoritarian/libertarian axis.)
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