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Old 18-07-2023, 00:20   #2549
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Chris View Post
The cash value of US support for Ukraine is also being wildly overstated.
It’s not just cash though is it? If the US support it means something, if they don’t that also means something.

I don’t think Putin gives a flying f. About Europe. Militarily. Only NATO.

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Trump simply can’t disarm Ukraine in the way he thinks he can.
In regards to this thread, he hasn’t suggested that. Only to get a cease fire and talks.

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In fact, if Trump wants direct, boots-on-the-ground support for Ukraine
Again, that was never suggested.

You’re coming up with answers to questions never asked.

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Ukraine will settle for nothing less than complete restoration of its internationally recognised borders, as established in 1991,
You sure about that? I’m not sure you’re in charge!

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because it correctly sees Crimea and the Donbas as launch pads for future Russian interference.
Which is the very reason that NATO membership would have to part of any agreement, to ensure future interference is negated.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
If things continue as they are, Ukraine will regain its former territory and eventually get NATO and EU membership.
No it won’t, but I’ll listen if you explain to me how that will happen.

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If the two sides don't agree in 24 hours/240 days what next?
Be interesting.

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Trump would look foolish for over-promising so may try and force Ukraine to yield as he has more influence over Ukraine than Russia.
Trump can’t force Ukraine to do nothing. Trump never mentioned force at all.
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