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Old 09-07-2023, 14:03   #801
jfman
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Re: The Chronicles of Rishi

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
I do not support what Eustice said, of course I don’t. I have no idea where he was coming from if he has been reported correctly and this is not government policy.
What Government ministers say is absolutely Government policy unless he gets a slap down from Number 10 and quick sharp. I will not be holding my breath.

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The plan is the Illegal Migration Bill, and that will remove the incentive for people to come here. The migrants will know they will be sent directly back to their country and where that would mean danger for them or where there are no alternative arrangements in place, they will be off to Rwanda.

Why would they want to cough up all that money and risk their lives to come to a country that will simply oik them out again within a week or so? It will break the model used by the people smugglers and Labour has no plan to do so.
Why not? They’re already risking their lives to cross. They’re already risking being detained.

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The Bill is not illegal as long as the appeal the government has lodged is successful. If it is not, then we will need to adjust our position vis a vis the ECHR. Then it will be legal.
Those are two almighty qualifications to whether the Bill is in fact legal. This failing Government will be long gone before it pulls the ECHR.

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I do sense, jfman, that you tend to think that existing laws and barriers can never be tackled to achieve change. But change to our immigration laws is what people want and so the government has a legitimate aspiration to put these new arrangements in place.
The Government is rubber stamping a million applications a year to live here legally. They aren’t even controlling migration among groups that they absolutely can.

Your belief in their intention, and competence, to deliver is astounding.

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