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Old 07-07-2023, 16:59   #5265
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
That’s a long winded way of either saying they are idiots or liars.

Anyone who seriously claimed we could have had the benefits of being in the Single Market without recognising the supremacy of EU in setting those rules (and the role of the ECJ in enforcing them) can only be one or the other.

Invoking remainers is nothing but whataboutery. The EU rationally negotiated, in it’s own interests. Something that should have come as a shock to absolutely no-one.
You are not listening - you never do. Farage and co said what they believed was possible. The fact that it was tackled the wrong way does not make him a liar. That is a very perverse logic.

I might tell my wife that it is possible to carry a certain amount of cups and plates on a tray. If she trips and falls and breaks everything, does that make me a liar? Of course not. I might tell my grandson that he is capable of passing an examination, but if he doesn’t study enough and he fails, does that make me a liar?

I ‘invoked’ remainers because they were so intent on wrecking the negotiations as they wanted to get their own way. Your ‘invoking’ the whataboutery card is nonsense because it was those activities which were largely responsible for disruption to the negotiations. It is a reason, not a ‘whataboutery’. People tend to use ‘whataboutery’ to prevent a logical argument highlighting an alternative they don’t like, because it neuters their own argument. It’s the coward’s way out of a discussion.

The EU was not irrational in trying that line with us, I agree, and I didn’t say otherwise. Theresa May took the rug from under the feet of the Brexiteers, and that was the first thing that put us on the back foot, which was a gift the the remain lobby.
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