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Sephiroth · 30-04-2023, 19:20

I didn't want to go off topic in another thread, but Ian does need to be dealt with in relation to this topic. The originating thread is at https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...4&postcount=40

Ian said:

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Originally Posted by ianch99
The positioning of integrity and Braverman in the same response I think proves the point being made. The women is a Goebbels wannabe and certified moron. If you think she represents your values, and the country's, then you may need a rethink.

My reply included:

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I suppose you used the term "Goebbels" because you think that Braverman is victimising poor defenceless people (the ones I call illegal migrants). I and the country at large want these illegal migrants and the associated trafficking stopped. If you don't want this, then it is you that needs a rethink.

Ian then went off piste in his retort:

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Just to be clear, and to correct your deliberate misrepresentation, I am not "describing people [plural] I do not like". Rather, I am describing a person [singular] I do not like.

Comparing Braverman to the 1930 Germany is not my claim, it is the claim of an actual Holocaust survivor who said:

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“Now, when I hear you using words against refugees like ‘swarms’ and an ‘invasion’, I am reminded of the language used to dehumanise and justify the murder of my family, and millions of others.

“Why do you find the need to use that kind of language.”

Same tactic, different century. We used to be a compassionate nation but this Government, with its hateful gaslighting of the reality of Asylum Seeking in the UK, is turning us into a spiteful, insular shadow of our former selves.

The deliberate action of not providing legal routes to claim asylum from Sudan, Syria, etc. and then labelling people who are forced to travel by sea "illegal" is a sinister play and is designed to manipulate the gullible. The people who you should be worrying about arriving in this country do not arrive on small boats, they arrive on private jets.

I'll critique Ian's reply in my next post.

---------- Post added at 19:20 ---------- Previous post was at 18:51 ----------

Ian very specifically likened Braverman to Goebbels (Holocaust, remember?).

Then, in his next post, Ian denied what he had openly done. I don't think Braverman ever used the word "swarms". She did use the word "invasion" and with good reason: daily boatloads of fit young men, who have deliberately destroyed their documents and mobile phones, many of them Albanians who are known to enter the criminal world. This seems to have changed now to other types of would-be migrants. Those who have a genuine reason to want to claim asylum, could do so in France.

Ian has raised a separate matter - no doubt to divert attention from his Goebbels slur: legal asylum routes for Sudanese & Syrians, etc. That's a difficult one. Due to the "invasion" by the boat people, the asylum system is clogged with an enormous backlog that costs us £6m/day in hotel charges. Thus, the only recourse we have, in addition to the Bill going through Parliament, is not to allow new legal routes for the time being.

The hysterical, personalised attack on Braverman (remember, he hates Tories) is completely unjustified.