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Originally Posted by Ramrod
I'm not offering an equivocation ("an ambiguous or deliberately evasive statement"). I'm saying that they are both ( The Ukraine with the USAs help) pretty much as bad as each other. And civilians, as usual, are suffering .
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I agree. However NATO pressed forward since the fall of the Iron Curtain, despite promising not to do so. Russia is not innocent (obviously) but they were provoked. It's a shitty situation.
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You were equivocating, as until your reply to Andrew here I suspect you were shy of offering a justification for Russia’s aggression. Now you’re plainly setting out what you think.
I have to say I don’t know exactly which well you’ve been drinking from these past couple of years but I don’t much like what it’s done to you. You’re coming off a bit too Tucker Carlson for my taste.
There is a disturbingly 19th century mindset at work behind what you say here. Sovereign states which are members of the United Nations simply do not invade one another, without clearance from the Security Council or in response to direct aggression (which is why, for all the crap that subsequently ensued, neither the Iraq nor Afghan wars of the early 2000s were actually illegal). That’s the ‘rules-based international order’ which has basically ensured world stability since 1945 and which Putin and the Russian State has completely trampled into the mud in Ukraine.
What you’re doing here is digesting and regurgitating watered down Russian propaganda (quite unknowingly I’m sure). The effect of what you’re saying is at best the assertion of sort of moral equivalence between Russia and Ukraine. In fact I think it’s worse than that, because on the one hand you have been quite deliberately minimising Zelensky’s moral agency (by reference to a comedy routine from years ago) and that of the Ukrainian state (by misrepresenting the political upheaval it has experienced for almost 20 years now) whilst offering ‘provocation’ as the basis of a moral framework that reduces the gravity of the war crimes Putin has authorised. You would present Putin as someone misunderstood and misguided rather than what he is: a genocidal tyrant who will live in infamy.
Even the Daily Mail eventually acknowledged Hitler was a bad sort.