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Old 08-11-2022, 14:04   #2047
jfman
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Chris View Post
Who’s to say he can’t view the dispute through any other lens? Here’s a radical possibility for you: perhaps he’s studied the conflict, with due regard to points of view and ways of construing it, and presents here conclusions that are well founded but perhaps differ from yours.
Indeed nobody is obliged to view anything other than through the lens they choose, however they can be unsurprised if ultimately the reality - especially in an issue such as war - is much more complex.

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I’d dearly love to know where you got your lens, incidentally, if only to ensure I never buy one by mistake. Your readiness to construe the violent separatist insurgencies in the Donbas as legitimate issues of self determination Ukraine should just live with is troubling, to say the least. Personally I think it’s awfully naive, but the I know you’ll simply dismiss that as a product of my Western lens.
Who said anything about violent insurgencies? Once again it’s a straw man. The people in these areas have a right to the principle peaceful self determination - in accordance with the Minsk protocol - or they do not.

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LOL also at your brazen attempt to comment on only those aspects of the unfolding crisis that suit your obsessions. Go on, how about you offer an opinion on the Russian invasion. I’d be genuinely interested to hear it.
I don’t see much to laugh about to be honest. I’m entertained though that this is my obsession, considering the extremely lengthy post you made the other day about how you’ve been reading up on this since February and are convinced Russia is on the brink of collapse. You seem far more obsessed and entrenched in your own echo chamber than I am.

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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Yes, actually, I did…

But just counter your whataboutism, can you highlight where the USA/U.K. forces repeatedly massacred civilians and put them into mass graves in Iraq & Afghanistan?
Are the lives of victims of “collateral damage” worth less because they are buried individually?
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