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Originally Posted by Pierre
The observations in that article are, I’m sure, accurate and I’ve heard similar observations and I totally accept the brutality of Russian atrocities and in no way have tried to brush over that.
My point, if you read the full exchange between myself and Chris, is that I don’t think a total win for Ukraine is achievable, not without foreign troops on the ground. That won’t happen. So how do you end this war?
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I have read every exchange between you and Chris and can only assumes, due to your comment, you didn't read the full article it doesn't just refer to Russian brutality. I understand as it is a long read but well worth it.
"The West" has never understood the Russian mentality and that is the crux of the problem. You cannot negotiate with them. They take that as a sign of weakness.
Ukraine can win and are doing so at the moment, Russia is on the defencive and pouring untrained cannon fodder into the war. Russia cannot supply the troops with the supplies they need,food, water etc, ammunition depots, command posts and distrobution centres are regularly being taken out by the introduction of HIMARS.
Now look at Ukraine. They have stopped conscription, they believe they have enough troops to defeat Russia.There were no similar complaints about conscription, were suitably trained (many in the UK and elsewhere) before getting anywhere near the front. They are fighting against the geneside of their nation. They will not stop, nor do I blame them. Russia wants to wipe them out of existence.
Ukraine will win and when it does Russia will leave it alone and (in a few years) go on and try with another Baltic state. At least until they stand up to them.
Russia only responds to force. Show you have it and use it they will back down. That is how Ukraine will get Crimea back.
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Originally Posted by Julian
It is, of course, entirely possible that we have forces on the ground in Ukraine  |
By "forces on the ground" what do you mean. It has never been denied that before the invasion our SF's and others NATO forces were there from 2014 training the Ukrainian army. We are still doing so but here in the UK.
There may well be military advisors still "in Country" but doubt boots on the ground troops.
I know of one UK military specialist who trained Ukrainian military in all infrantrary weopons they would likely meet and have to use but in Germany. He never went to Ukraine. Basically he trains the trainers just as he does with UK and NATO armies.