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Old 27-10-2022, 20:38   #1982
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by Chris View Post
He has to be stopped, as surely as Hitler had to be stopped. Obviously that’s not going to look like Germany 1945; Putin has a nuclear arsenal. But he must be pushed out of Ukraine in its entirety, and yes, that does include Crimea, because at present Crimea has not been formally ceded by Ukraine nor recognised internationally as Russian. Even an outcome that achieves nothing more than the formalisation of Russian possession of Crimea would be spinnable in Moscow, shore up Putin’s reputation and set the scene for the next invasion.
How do you see that happening? Without Armageddon, and without NATO boots on the ground?

Ukraine is putting up a fantastic effort, but it’s unlikely they can take back everything Russia has taken in this offensive, let alone Crimea.

That would take foreign troops, or planes. It would need foreign direct action of some sort, which would end up in a potential nuclear exchange, that no one will risk.

The west is pumping billions into Ukraine, but Russia isn’t skint (thanks to Germany) and buying weapons from Iran and China.

I take everything on board about the war crimes but this conflict does not end with total victory for Ukraine or total victory for Russia.

In 1942, when Hitler was expecting a negotiated settlement, the allies could reject that for total surrender, Ukraine doesn’t have that luxury.
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