Thread: Britain outside the EU
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Old 02-09-2022, 19:37   #4502
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
With the best will in the world to ianch99, Mr K, 1andrew1 and myself we’re not the experts in this. We’ve no buy in.

OB on the other hand wants to move the conversation on to discuss what now needs to be done to make it work and, since he referenced it, I’ve invited him to name specific laws and bureaucracy that have to change to make it a success.

If he’s stumped you’ve no chance of us having the answer.
Already given you some clues.

I have reminded Ian of the General Data Protection Regulation, the Working Time Directive and Acquired Rights Directive, but there are tons more. Examples include:

The Health and Safety at Work Framework Directive (requires all businesses to keep written records of all risk assessments, regardless of risk)
The Tobacco Products Directive (which restricts e-cigarettes even though there are health benefits to smokers).
The Chemicals Directive (which requires companies to carry out a huge and unnecessary amount of animal testing costing millions of pounds to the chemicals industry)
The European Food Information for Consumers Regulation (which for example requires shops to attach warnings to their fish products that the product contains fish)
The Clinical Trials Directive (which hampers clinical research and makes more difficult the access patients have to innovative new treatments).
The Genetically Modified Organisms Directive (which prevents genome editing, which is preventing the discovery of effective treatments, for example for malaria).

This gives you just an essence of a flavour of how the EU is frustrating businesses of all types. There are hundreds of these regulations that need to be overhauled or repealed altogether.

Some of these were put in place with good intentions, but they have overegged it all to a ridiculous degree which just makes more work for everyone, often for little benefit.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Ian did not say Brexit was a failure. The only person who used that word was you. Perhaps you invoked the term subconsciously?

The import bureaucracy in question concerns that applied by most countries to imports outside their own trading bloc. Since the UK has left the EU, the UK falls into this category. So the way round this, or to use your phrase "to do something about this" is for the UK and EU to get closer eg mutual recognition of veterinary standards for the UK to join the Single Market. Are you on board with this?
No, failure is clearly what is in the minds of people who with glee post negative stories about Brexit with no attempt whatsoever of how to put these things right.

I most certainly do not think it has failed. What I am saying is we have not yet even begun to start flexing our muscles to make it work, and that’s why I think the coming years will be exciting.

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Originally Posted by jfman View Post
The floor if yours, OB. Tell us how the erosion of workers rights will raise living standards?
See above
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