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Originally Posted by jfman
That doesn't matter - if required the restrictions would just become stricter to compensate. Closing additional businesses, public transport, reducing opening hours or even introducing a curfew would be options. Nobody instructed to work from home is going to rush into an office, for example. If the pub is closed there's nowhere to go.
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It's true to an extent, But closing businesses is pretty much all they can do which will be largely complied with (even then we had businesses staying open and defying these orders).
if the pub's closed, why not come round for a few pints tomorrow?
The government wants everyone tucked up by 9pm but some people can't do that and they aren't able to police it anyway (won't the police have to be tucked up by 9 too)?
In fact no-one's going to stop it and no-one's going to care if we cram 20 people into a massive disco party in a terrace right? Well, not at least until after it's happened anyway?
And then what if it was a work gathering?
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It'd be interesting to see if that held up against a more severe variant and waning vaccine effectiveness.
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Such a thing doesn't exist and doesn't show a sign of existing.
Over time the disease hasn't got worse in terms of symptoms, whether by the natural course of the virus, or by exposure to infection and vaccination, it's got weaker if anything. Vaccine escape is always partial especially when we're using vaccines tailored to a variant which was circulating almost 3 years ago.
If they needed to, they could always make another AZ type vaccine with a different spike protein and whack it through the emergency approvals and get into arms quickly.
Plus the previous immunity would no doubt be blunted not eroded.
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I doubt many are in that much of a rush to go out and die on the minimum wage in a cost of living crisis.
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I'm sure you'd need them to when your bins aren't emptied, your takeaway food doesn't turn up, your Amazon delivery or post isn't there, and there's no-one to open Tesco, because everyone is at home scared of Covid.
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I'm sure they'd welcome 80% salary to sit at home with their feet up again.
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Paid for by the government, so more taxes and more increase on the "cost of living" aka inflation caused by covid response making people sit at home doing nothing and being paid for it with nothing to spend it on. That's going to make it better, right?
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So they do work?
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Entirely dependent on the equipment and how it's used.
Wearing a bit of old cloth and not washing it between uses or putting it on tables, in pockets with your phone or hankie or whatever when you're not wearing it. That's not benefiting anything at all and even if the slim chance the cloth stopped the virus at all as soon as it touched anything else it'd spread contamination. As would re-using single use masks.
Wearing and using properly including before and after use, a proper surgical device, will have more effect than that, and will probably reduce transmission by more.
But then you have to think about why surgeons wear masks? It isn't to stop viruses.
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I'm unaware of a requirement to wear masks at concerns, seated in a pub, or doing anything that could even be considered remotely enjoyable.
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Except it was where we had indoor mask mandates.
In places of worship, museums, theatres, concert halls, you had to unless exempt.
Pubs were always given special treatment even though it was utter nonsense in that you could always take a mask off when seated. But since they were restricted to seated and table service only explain the benefit of that?
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For every person who won't go out but for the need to wear a mask that's equally offset by those who refuse to engage with the old economy - continuing to work from home, voluntarily restricting their own activities. So this is not the zero sum game that you claim it to be.
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I'm claiming what? where?
I haven't "not" done anything because of covid since, well, we were legally allowed to "do" it again, and certainly not since getting vaccinated.
Working from home is between employees and employers. If a company only wants their staff in the office 1 day a week, then are you saying that working from home on the other four isn't "engaging with the new economy"? Don't forget that working from home also reduces the load on transport and net-zero benefits from people not commuting?