[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'd just like to make clear where I stand on all this lest one or two of you regard me as an anti-immigrant hawk.

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I, like other reasonable people on this thread, object to Muslim males, without identity documents, seeking asylum in the UK when there's the whole of Europe for them to claim asylum. Rationale revolves round not knowing whom we would be receiving, nor their affiliations, nor their jihadist/terrorism leanings given past terrorism events, particularly from Muslim migrants to the UK..

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I, like other reasonable people on this thread, fully support genuine refugees from anywhere who seek to come to the UK on any valid legal premise - be that UK law, ECHR or UNHCR treaties. In that regard, I expect them to have a valid basis for fleeing their country, able to reasonably prove this and I'd be sympathetic to families or women with children.

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I, like other reasonable people on this thread, do not want to set a precedent for millions of Muslims coming to this country and totally destroying our culture by reason of their numbers and eventual possible domination of politics (an agenda I ascribe to either/both of Saudi Arabia/Iran). Diversity is not a democratic principle; it has the potential to destroy indigenous culture.

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Because we are signatories to the ECHR, we must abide by its rules. I believe that those rules should be updated to deal with the present trafficking crisis and the Guvmin needs to tell us what it is planning in that regard. My rationale is simply to look at 1930s Germany, when that country turned to institutional racism without there being any backstop (not that such a backstop would have worked); whilst I don't expect that to happen here, creeping exceptions to human rights can occur in any democracy and I don't want to see that here.

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I don't like the EU - specifically the power-grabbing Commission. But, when we were in, I did approve of Free Movement and was content with the Single Market/Customs Union. But UK sovereignty has trumped all that. We now need to get the UNHCR/EHCR articles updated. That'll take some time but in the meantime, we must find legal methods to stop the people trafficking.

Brilliant post, well said.