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Originally Posted by jfman
You’re ignoring points where the “past wrong” was being portrayed as the “past right”. This requires us to trust our governments who in the past have taken the approach the ends justified the means and put out disinformation in the process to carry public opinion. But of course this time is always different because <insert reason>. It was forever thus.
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I believe in the public more than you, might have something to do with going on a march some years ago when a million plus others felt strongly enough to get of their backsides and make their voices heard, these liars and charlatans get caught out and seen through in the end, I wonder how long Blair would have been in charge without that decision and how everytime he opens his mouth he's rightly imo treated with contempt
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If you can point to a meaningful time any contributor of the CF Current Affairs section changed public policy (or even the mind of another member) I’d like to see it.
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If you can point to anyone in Russia having conversations like this I'd like to see it
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No more and no less than the rights of people in the disputed areas to have self-determination without interference from Kyiv or NATO. This is the classic western dilemma - it supports the rights of some people but not others on the basis of it’s own interests.
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I remember having that discussion with Hugh when Russia annexed South Ossetia, about the right of the people that lived there to decide their future, if we'd acted then we may not be here now, Hitler and the Sudetenland spring to mind.