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Originally Posted by jfman
My favourite piece of propaganda was the so-called “Ghost of Kyiv”, lapped up and regurgitated by western media and it turns out didn’t exist at all. A complete myth.
I think you’re definitely right to hold a healthy scepticism for western media lines - media who have demonstrated themselves to be effective state apparatus by peddling misinformation under the guise of “journalism”.
In the 1970s you’d have found many parroting the benefits of arming the mujahadeeen in Afghanistan. It’s no surprise given there’s no appetite for the spilling of western blood following the embarrassment of surrendering Afghanistan that the USA are now outsourcing it’s wars to unsavoury groups.
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Actually I think a lot of the myths are being generated by Ukraine itself. Zelensky recognised quite early on that Western nations wouldn’t pour their weapons into the country just for them to be captured by Russia. Ukraine has fought an epic propaganda war to show itself worth betting on. Western media laps it up because that’s just what it does.
We live in a society conditioned by blockbuster sci fi and superhero films where it’s difficult for the masses to think in terms more complex than ‘hero’ and ‘villain’. That means we tend to extend the black-and-white judgment far further than we ought to. Ukrainians aren’t angels just because they’ve been invaded. The simple matter is that the rules-based international order that has held more-or-less steady since 1945 relies on countries not doing what Russia is doing right now. Coffee house debates over the relative moral standing of the two nations involved in this war shouldn’t be allowed to obfuscate that.
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
You are incredibly judgemental for a man of your position Chris.
Ukraine had a democratic government that had alliances with Russia overthrown and replaced with a democratic government with alliances with the west and now the West are backing them against Russia. Funny that so you not think?
You only have to do a little search to see what has gone on in Ukraine people trafficking and child sex trafficking and the right wing aspects to see it is not as clean a nation as the West are making it out to be.
I am leaving God out of my discussions on the forum due to how you treated me last time Chris so please do not try to draw me into conversations on such matters
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Jay … seriously, don’t post on a discussion forum if you don’t want your views challenged. Debate and wise judgment is healthy, but it also requires a willingness to be disagreed with. Jfman is about to disagree with me. That’s fine. Frustrating at times, but fine. This is just how it works.
As for sex trafficiking, well Russia isn’t the sex trafficking police so far as I’m aware. There are ways of dealing with such things; flattening Mariupol with artillery and raping women in Bucha after shooting their husbands in the head aren’t it.
The rights and wrongs of this war have nothing to to with the moral state of either country. Ukraine’s borders should be respected.