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Originally Posted by Hugh
There may be two sides to every story, but when one of those sides repeatedly invades and illegally seizes land from another country and sets up puppet regimes, perhaps it's salient not to fully not trust that side's story...
You may find this of interest - it's from Al Jazeera, not renowned for it's pro-Western bias.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...ndence-in-1991 |
Is it salient to trust either sides story though?
As I said anyway I have no opinion on it just do not believe everything I read from both sides
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Originally Posted by Chris
None of Ukraine’s difficulties over the past 20 years compare to being invaded by a despot and having their civilian population raped and then shot dead.
‘Putin the Russian nationalist with justifiable concerns that must be taken account of’ is the line the FSB has been dripping in to western media for years, precisely so that we would be minded to let him get on with it. The view you’re expressing is perilously close to Neville Chamberlain’s argument that it was reasonable for Hitler to invade the Sudetenland (which was sovereign Czechoslovakian territory) because its inhabitants were German-speaking.
Hitler took Chamberlain’s appeasement for the weakness that it was, and he therefore didn’t stop with the Sudetenland. Chamberlain ultimately only declared war because the UK was treaty-bound to come to Poland’s aid, and he continued to argue for a negotiated peace with Hitler until after Dunkirk, by which time Churchill was PM and insisting on continuing the fight (and Chamberlain was at death’s door with cancer).
Decades of accommodating Putin’s world view has brought us here. Ukraine is a sovereign, independent country, recognised by the United Nations and not under censure by any resolution. There really are not two sides to this - Russia’s ‘side’ is a chimera, the work of years of propaganda aimed at people who like to think they’re free thinking and even handed.
Don’t do the FSB’s work for it.
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I am not going to say that is not happening I am simply going to say I am not going to believe it just because we are being told it
You really truly think what we are getting fed is not propaganda also? seriously?