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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I don't get why you still support Johnson, Old Boy. Fellow Conservatives Seph and Chris see how he's brought the Party into disrepute and he's been tanking with the electorate for a long time now.
What will it take for you to cease giving him support? Found guilty of misleading the House?
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I accept that this has divided opinion, and that the breaches of the Covid rules should not have happened. But it is the extent of BJ's involvement that is in question here. The police have found that he breached the rules once, in an event which was a very marginal breach of the law, if that, for which he received a fine. He was not fined for anything else.
Some of the other events that went on at no 10 were serious breaches, but BJ was only involved in a small number of these, and in a situation the police did not consider meriting a fine. Leaving presentations, with or without alcohol, were deemed to be legal, as they were clearly work events, but some of these went on to become social events and BJ was not present when that happened.
BJ says he was unaware of those events which were, or became parties, and indeed he wasn't even there when they occurred. The office of Prime Minister is an extremely busy one, and yet some people on this forum seem to think he had so much time on his hands that he should have been aware of everything that was going on in that building, despite the fact that it is a building that is both residential and office accommodation and is used by over 1,000 people. When he discovered what was going on, he took immediate steps to reform the staffing structure to ensure that such a situation did not recur.
As I have said repeatedly, most of the noise over this has been from people who dislike Boris Johnson and want him gone, some of them Conservatives. But those of us who support him staying in office want him to do so because on the issues that are still outstanding and are important to this country, BJ is considered the best person to deal with them, because he knows how to do it and how to make it happen.
That is why, in context, partygate is seen by many as an unwanted distraction and completely out of proportion with the scheme of things.
Many (not all) of those same people try to leap to Sir Kier Starmer's defence, despite the fact that his breach of the rules appears to be far greater than BJ's, because his event happened AFTER work, and not between work events. If that turns out to be true, he will be deserving of the fine that he gets.
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth
Now we've had the Sue report, it was always going to morph towards wait for the Standards Committee report and to be honest I'm surprised OB hasn't used it already. I also don't think we're at the end of the story yet, I'd not be surprised if there are plenty more photos out there.
They'll also try hard to kick any discontent towards the long grass tomorrow when the £400 per fuel bill is announced, hoping they can buy the public's forgiveness.
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If there are more photos, they should have been forwarded to the police. In any case, the photos alone need to be put into context. I’m sure that if there was anything else of relevance, it would have emerged by now unless people are deliberately suppressing evidence. If more evidence was produced now, people would be rightly accused of wasting police time.
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Originally Posted by jfman
“Hatred for Boris”.
Defending him at all costs has almost a cult like following without many members.
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The cult comprises the people who are part of the campaign to unseat BJ. That is what this is all about.