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Old 20-05-2022, 10:56   #2242
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
I don't know about that. Some say Tony Blair took us into an illegal war with Iraq. If true, that is far more serious.

It all depends on how you judge these things, but you are being very selective in your judgements, aren't you?

As for paying the fine, you know as well as I do that he did so to make this go away. Had he not paid the fine, this would have just dragged on even longer.[COLOR="Silver"]

Boris has taken us out of the EU, as the electorate wanted, he dealt with Covid and was the only leader to see straight away the futility of lockdowns and the solution was a vaccine, (which he ensured would be available in record time), he's getting us through this economic crisis without plunging the country into unnecessary catastrophic debt, he's got his sights on ensuring that the levelling up programme at last embraces those forgotten red wall areas that Labour has taken for granted for so long.... Why would you say that?

Oh, sorry, I forgot, you support the other side and see Boris as a major electoral threat that you can only counter by besmirching his character.

Silly me.
First of all, I would like to start on a positive note and begin by agreeing with you; well, at least the bits in bold at the beginning an end of your post!

It's the stuff in the middle that I have an issue with.

Firstly, I'm not making any judgments, I've linked to two separate sources that state that Johnson is the first sitting PM to have broken the law. There are many more media sources stating this as well. (And despite their history, both sources have different owners.)

Secondly, it really doesn't matter how much you admire Johnson and believe he can do no wrong - the electorate thinks differently. That's partly why Conservative supporters like Seph want him to step down as they can see a Pickfords van outside No. 10 in 2025 if he remains in power.

However, a lot of your statements listing Johnson's successes are clearly pipe dreams. For example, national debt interest payments are at a record £70bn. The Northern Ireland Assembly is not functioning due to the cack-handed Brexit deal Johnson signed. And the red wall seats are worse off since Johnson became PM.

I don't have loyalty to any political party and have voted for them all.
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