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Old 16-03-2022, 18:01   #1121
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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Originally Posted by jonbxx View Post
The fact that Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn at one end of the spectrum and Nigel Farage and Arron Banks at the other are Putin apologists blaming NATO for Russias actions is a great example of the Horseshoe Theory in politics.
I'd always thought that but never heard it was an actual 20th century theory. Thanks for sharing.

I think in the instance you share, Banks' views may be shaped more by his Russian wife and business opportunities in that country than his right-wing politics.

With regard to the FT report below
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A report by the Financial Times about a proposed 15-point peace plan between Moscow and Kyiv only shows “the requesting position of the Russian side”, Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said.

Podolyak, a senior adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said Ukraine had its own requesting positions in negotiations with Russia.

“The only thing we confirm at this stage is a ceasefire, withdrawal of Russian troops and security guarantees from a number of countries,” he added.
See 16:56 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

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Ukraine and Russia draw up neutrality plan to end war

Fifteen-point draft deal would involve Kyiv renouncing Nato ambitions in return for security guarantees

Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative 15-point peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, according to three people involved in the talks.

The proposed deal, which Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed in full for the first time on Monday, would involve Kyiv renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the US, UK and Turkey, the people said.

The nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their acceptability to Moscow — could yet prove to be a big obstacle to any deal, as could the status of Ukrainian territories seized by Russia and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian security failed to prevent Russian aggression against its neighbour.
https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-...7-802b7fa77ef1

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