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Originally Posted by Damien
This isn't giving him a way out, it's giving him a huge victory. One of the conditions will almost certainly be that sanctions are removed as well.
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This is a negotiation between Ukraine and Russia, not Russia and the rest of the world.
Putin has now made Russia a pariah state, no other country is compelled to promise Russia anything.
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So he would have won a compliant government in Ukraine
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Not compliant as in Belarus compliant, but just one that doesn’t join NATO or the EU.
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Crimea officially recognised as Russian and two new puppet 'independent' states. Huge success for Putin and a reward for his aggression.
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He already has them.
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We can't keep making concessions to his violence and bullying.
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We’re not the ones being killed.
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It has ramifications beyond Ukraine to all of Europe.
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None NATO countries maybe
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He'll just do it again and once again it'll be 'Well, you need to give him something'.
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maybe p, maybe not.
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We need him to lose and be seen to lose.
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That will be totally unacceptable to him. Do you really want to back him into a corner so far……and gamble on what he may or may not do?
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Even if he gets the above via violence at least the sanctions will damage Russia's economy to the point it cost too much and not only does it make him think twice about another invasion but Russia won't have the economic ability to wage another war.
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I think Russia has proven how weak they actually are, I think if this is resolved in this negotiation Putin goes away. They don’t have the military muscle they think they have, he gets off without looking weak and retires with his millions.