[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

At some point NATO/The west are going to face an agonising decision, namely do we get involved in a military conflict with Russia? Or, do we abandon Ukraine to the Russians..

Russia may have the might to push into Ukraine, take a few major cities and potentially depose the government.

But do they have numbers to hold the country. Does he want to become embroiled in a partisan guerrilla conflict that would continue for years. Any resistance would be well armed, financed and trained by the a West. Mercenaries of all nationalities I’m sure would join too.

This would not end with the fall of Kiev.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Intended…

Here’s a good (imho) thread on perhaps why it’s not going so well for the Russian ground forces (most of whom are inexperienced conscripts) in Ukraine (written by a Ukrainian living in Australia).

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...512765953.html

That’s a good analysis.

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Originally Posted by Blackshep

Ukraine has planned for what comes after possible defeat I'm not going to go into any detail but if Russia thinks the fighting ends if they achieve their goals they are in for an even bigger shock then they have had already. What's becoming very evident is that the Russian military is not this unstoppable efficient steamroller they have many issue's from equipment, training, organisation and logistics all are currently being demonstrated and compounded.

This has done huge damage to Putin it's continuing to do damage and sanctions haven't fully hit yet so his problem's are mounting and while he couldn't care less what ordinary Russian's say or do (that illusion he spent time and effort creating) he does care what his rich cronies say. To say the situation in both Ukraine and Russia is fluid is understating it but there's a lot going on that isn't making it to media or public briefings that will have a great impact on events. Even if Russia succeeds today and declares victory the damage is done confidence in Putin has been very seriously dented in the Russian people, the wealthy cronies and more importantly the Russian military.

Indeed, Putin has only driven his country into a Cul-de-sac.